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New policy to speed, prosecution.

By JANA THORSON
Valley Press Special Sections Editor

LAKE HUGHES - The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, working with the District Attorney's Office, believes it has found a way to speed prosecution of property owners who fail to clean up nuisance properties in the Lakes and Valley communities of Lake Hughes, Elizabeth Lake, Leona Valley and Green Valley.

Deputy Robert Ferrell, of the Palmdale Sheriff's Station's community policing team, told residents at Saturday's Lakes Town Council meeting that the Sheriff's Department, in concert with Los Angeles County, has a new policy that should speed up prosecution of offending property owners.
The change in policy came in response to community complaints about the extended length of time it has been taking to clean up problem properties and prosecute offending property owners.

Under the old policy, Ferrell said, it has taken m excess of six months in some cases to prosecute offenders who fail to respond to orders to clean
up junk and/or deal with other code violations.

Under the new policy, Ferrell said, a complaint allows for inspection of the property and the issuance of a 30-day written order to the owner to clean up, fix or respond to the complaint. .
After 31 days, the property is reinspected. If the owner has not complied with the written order, a citation is issued with a 60-day notice for the owner to appear in court.

"Complaints were just taking too long," Ferrell told residents. "We think (the new policy) meets the court requirements. The DA's office is behind us.
"It has been frustrating for us too because we want these things to go away, too."

Ferrell said the old policy caused a slowdown with the county building and safety and zoning and code enforcement departments because their hdnds were tied as to the timeline under which action could be taken.
Nuisance property complaints can be made to the county Department of Building Safety's code enforcement division at (626) 458-3193.
A complaint form also can be filled out and filed online at dpw.lacounty.gov/bsd/.

Complaints can include junk or hazardous property, unsafe buildings, unpermitted structures and noninspected work.
Lake Hughes resident Dahlia Grossman asked what recourse residents have to address problems with off-roaders on private property.
Ferrell said county code does address complaints for nuisance off-roaders on their own property and for trespassing violations on other people's property.

Neighbors can file a complaint about neighbors off-roading on their own property if they are creating noise, dust and pollution (exhaust) problems.
Those off-roading illegally on someone else's property can be cited for trespassing, he said.

Elizabeth Lake resident Robin Kennard, also a member of the Angeles Forest Valleys and Lakes Fire Safe Council, asked what residents can do when deputies are not responding to off= roading complaints.

Kennard said while working a Neighborhood Watch program last week, citizens encountered a half-dozen unmuffled off-roaders trespassing on the Featherston property at Johnson and Elizabeth Lake roads at 12:45 a.m. Numerous citizens complained but no deputies responded.

Ferrell said residents should give deputies about 10 minutes or so to respond, and after that should contact the on-duty watch deputy or sergeant.

"If deputies don't respond there is probably a good reason," Ferrell added.
Complaints of nuisance off-roaders can be made by contacting the Palmdale Sheriff's Station, (661) 272-2400.

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They enter property with guns and write citations
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The los Angeles County NAT team (nusience abatement team) is abusing citizens. They enter property with guns and write citations for petty minusia. They arrive in a caravan of district attorney thugs, building and safety, regional planning, dog catcher and any other agency that they can extract a penney with. They then proceed to destroy every bodies lives.

When a citation is issued they refuse to give you a hearing, "Clean it up or we will fine you".

This Nazi group has netted the County hundreds of thousands of dollars in new revenue at the cost of home and land owners expense.

If anybody has any contact with these storm troopers please post on this subject. This needs to be stopped.


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tired
Lancaster, CA
Saturday Aug 30

They came over to my house and opened my gate and a caravan came down my driveway. The cops got out with guns drawn and the first thing out of their mouth was "are you taking drugs and where are the guns". Nobody showed me a warrent or called for an inspection, they just showed up because some realestate person complained about the property not being in compliance with their lot they were listing.

My nearest neighbor is 1 1/2 mile down the road, so what I didn't cut the weeds and I have 1 truck I am fixing.(got a ticket for both and they won't give me a court date they want it fixed)

They also told me I had a green house that needs a permit for (plastic covering hoops for tomatoes) and gave me a notice to stop.

These a-__les came on my property with a closed gate, guns drawn, wanting me to fix some petty crap. what the hell is going on.
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Chelsa
Lancaster, CA
Saturday Aug 30

You think that is bad, there is not enough room here for me to tell you what those bastar__ did to me. I lost 2 10 acre parcels because of the harassment they did. They even came with M-16s and straddled me on the ground, went to my trailer and poked my kid in the head with muzzle of their machinegun, and the poor kid freaked. He still has nightmares. I have been fined into submission, I finaly got to court and the DA didn't know what to do.
I have been arrested numerious times from warrents that these azz-oles have trumped up because I cant afford to do what they say, they have tried to take my kids away, and have drained every cent from me. I am now trying to sell my last property at fire sale prices.
Yes I highly suspect that a local real estate guy is turning everybody in to generate listings.

I am moving out of this chicken sh__ state.
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tortured
Lancaster, CA

#4
Aug 30, 2008
wait til you here this. these animals cam on my propirty and an did sume really f****d up stuf. guns out and ordering me and me familee around. then when they saw i had a big dog theey put it to sleep with some dart gun thingee. then when i woodn't tell them wear i keep my meth they put a gun up my sleeping dogs but and fired 3 shots. oh my poor dog. the censored of it. my kids who whitnessd it hav not slept four dayz.

wat can we do to stop theze attakz?

pissed
Saint Louis, MO

#5
Aug 30, 2008
they did the same to me and I am pissed we got the Feds checking it out for rights violations.
3 personal violations
12 other violations
The fire is burning.
Please give us all the info, post it here. We have the money behind us to make their life miserable.

Snarky
Los Angeles, CA

#6
Aug 30, 2008
WTF?
I'm reading these comments and can't believe it. This is going on in Lancaster recently?
Very scary.

tired
Lancaster, CA

#7
Aug 31, 2008
this has been going on for 2 years. They origonaly were put together to target drug labs and squaters. Then they ran out of victims. So the county supervisor is using them to police the west valley by forcing people to get permits for buildings over 120 sq ft (including chicken coops, horse stalls, greenhouses, car ports and everything you can imagine, remove cars, remove trailers and remove houses with septic systems that are over 15 years old). When you go to the regional planning or building and safety in lancaster to correct the "problem" and ask for guidelines they don't have any and don't want to produce any, and they refuse to give you any help. The counter people are afraid to say anything because of the draconian ham fisted ass__ that came up from LA to run the project.

One comment that sticks in my mind is " I don't care what the code says I want it done this way and thats that".

I have personally talked to a few victims on 230th st. and on west lancaster rd. and the depression and frustration these people have is to the point of suicide (I am not exagerating). Now the odd part about all of this is these people pay taxes, own 5 to 20 acres and have families that were placed on the ground and threatened with violence if they didn't cooperate, and they don't take dope, have 8:00 to 5:00 jobs and one that I know of attends town hall meetings.
When these nazi gestapo storm troppers show up they don't produce a warrent or any court documents they just walk right in and take over. when told to leave they indicate that they have a gun and you are told to shut up and sit down (personal experience)
At one of these town hall meetings a represenative of the NAT team gave a presentation and made some disturbing statements like:
Ques:Don't you need a warrent or court document to enter property.
Ans: No we don't need anything like that we can go where ever we want.

Statement: After we hooked them up and transported them we used our vechiles to pushover their trailers so the can't use them when we release them.(this was heard by at least 35 people in the meeting and was a hot topic after the meeting)
There is not enough of space to describe the crap these people are getting away with, that is why I am writting this, maybe the rest of you will be forwarned

Snarky
Los Angeles, CA

#8
Aug 31, 2008
So these guys enter the property without displaying a warrant along with law enforcement identification?

I like cops and would probably let them in without a warrant. Not hiding anything here.

But somebody forcing their way in without proper ID or documents could accidently get shot. I know California is fucked up but they can't just disregard the constitution.

I know that I would not hesitate to defend my home and property. They better bring more than some M-16s if they don't plan to show a warrant and ID.

Still, this thread is deeply disturbing. Why in the world would they raid small ranches on the west side? Drugs? Fire hazard? Some kind of building code? Something stinks.
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Lancaster, CA

#9
Aug 31, 2008
There is a drive in the west side to clean up the area for the future project at "Centinel at the Tejon Ranch". Also there is a company that is buying up all the large pieces of land for solar generation projects (they are using money from a internet giant). The wind turbine people are being out bid on every tract of land.

An odd coincidence is that the county was given a grant for the NAT team,(where did the grant come from) some time ago,to clean up the valley, supported by the county supervisor.
A high proportion of raids are generated by certain real estate people complaining about other peoples land near or next to a listing they have (some are near or touching the large tracts of land. Many people are getting frustrated with the bad treatment at the county level and are selling their properties and a number of them are being purchased by this indian fellow.

The cits are running the gambit for everything but generaly it for the 120 sq ft rule on buildings (there is no specific reg.)old cars, trash, and other things.

Here's my favorite: (I am copying it verbatium from a cit.) Lol3
1. Maintenance of premises so out of harmony and/or conformity with the Maintenance standards of adjacent properties as to cause substantial diminution of enjoyment, use, or property values of such adjacent properties.haha
2. Attractive nuisances in the form of abandoned or broken equipment, and neglected machinery.
3. Broken or discarded furniture and household equipment in yard areas for unreasonable period.
4. Miscellaneous articles of personal property scattered about the premises.
5. Trash, junk, and debris scattered about premises.

Now keep in mind this citation was not issued in the city, it was issued in the farthest reaches of north LA county where the population is about 2 people for 5 sq miles. and the nearest neighbor is 1.75 miles away. And oh yes ,It was a complaint from a realestate dweeb.

Jason
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Aug 31, 2008
"Tom wrote:
There is a drive in the west side to clean up the area for the future project at "Centinel at the Tejon Ranch". Also there is a company that is buying up all the large pieces of land for solar generation projects (they are using money from a internet giant). The wind turbine people are being out bid on every tract of land.
An odd coincidence is that the county was given a grant for the NAT team,(where did the grant come from) some time ago,to clean up the valley, supported by the county supervisor.
A high proportion of raids are generated by certain real estate people complaining about other peoples land near or next to a listing they have (some are near or touching the large tracts of land. Many people are getting frustrated with the bad treatment at the county level and are selling their properties and a number of them are being purchased by this indian fellow.
The cits are running the gambit for everything but generaly it for the 120 sq ft rule on buildings (there is no specific reg.)old cars, trash, and other things.
Here's my favorite: (I am copying it verbatium from a cit.)
1. Maintenance of premises so out of harmony and/or conformity with the Maintenance standards of adjacent properties as to cause substantial diminution of enjoyment, use, or property values of such adjacent properties.
2. Attractive nuisances in the form of abandoned or broken equipment, and neglected machinery.
3. Broken or discarded furniture and household equipment in yard areas for unreasonable period.
4. Miscellaneous articles of personal property scattered about the premises.
5. Trash, junk, and debris scattered about premises.
Now keep in mind this citation was not issued in the city, it was issued in the farthest reaches of north LA county where the population is about 2 people for 5 sq miles. and the nearest neighbor is 1.75 miles away. And oh yes ,It was a complaint from a realestate dweeb."

If theres broken down cars, trash, old appliances and the property looks like shit why not clean it up? Those of us that live in city limits have to abide by the same rules yet I never hear any horror stories about people in city limits. For some reason I feel theres more to some of these instances that posters are putting forth.

tom
Lancaster, CA

#11
Aug 31, 2008
I agree with you on being neat and clean. But it doesn't take guns, violence and intimadation to get it done. The whole point of the gripe is the execution of the raid, with guns and force where a letter would do fine. And this is an everyday occurance for the last year. Every day they try to hit at least 6 locations a day.(some of the participants don't approve of the tactics either, thats how I find out)

Cities are crowded and conjested. I don't see LAPD barging onto property with guns drawn and putting people on the ground for some petty zoning code violation.(I could be wrong they just shot a homeless man)

You can be a nay sayer all you want, you are not here and you didn't have to eat dirt.
But thank you for your response ,it is good to get everybody involved.

hit hard
Lancaster, CA

#12
Aug 31, 2008
I am now selling my property because of the county and their unreasonable demands. My wife refuses to stay because of the treatment endured on the day of the visit from 6 deputy DA enforcers, 4 dog catchers, 2 child services, 3 sherif dep.,1 regional planning, 2 building and safety and some other fellow who nosed into everything. Their deportment was deplorable and overbearing. and scared my wife to death I was at work.
I had no broken down cars, garbage or trash but got cited for a carport, containers (2) and 1 semi on 40 acres. I also found out that the county will be taxing me for my chickens, goats and horses because of this visit.
KMA

Snarky
Los Angeles, CA

#13
Aug 31, 2008
Oh now we can't have shipping containers? I can't believe this.

Do you have to get a permit to put in a carport?

Are they trying to get rid of small ranchos?

John Boy
Los Angeles, CA

#14
Sep 1, 2008
"pissed wrote:
they did the same to me and I am pissed we got the Feds checking it out for rights violations.
3 personal violations
12 other violations
The fire is burning.
Please give us all the info, post it here. We have the money behind us to make their life miserable."


Rules of engagement:

A)Never email any information about setting up a sting operation to catch crooked official /officials. Why? Never post anything on the Internet because it can be brought back and used against you. What�s best? Direct conversation away from the city. B) Set up meetings and network with others on setting up video cameras and surveillance. C) Only work with those who can keep their MOUTHS SHUT! D) Document times, dates, officers involved, pictures, & video tape everything, Set up layers of defense on to your property (Bob wired fence, trip lines, cameras, dogs, metal doors, and rebar in concrete to destroy car tires).*Issues with the dog>>Law enforcement can kill your dog if it proves to be a threat. KEEP the dog inside if police are outside. E) NEVER answer the door, block off all windows for seeing in, no sound, and NEVER open the door because once you do your screwed to any B.S. call on illegal plumbing or fire concern charge against you. This is when you will need your cell phone � Call your network of people that are getting harassed. Call your group over with video cameras and say nothing while taping --the same goes for you! Why? Abusive authorities want conflict with you and because it makes it easier to arrest you for interfering with their job. In reality, they are more concerned about losing their own job. Videotape doesn�t lie! It shows what really happened Never argue or talk to any law enforcement official until you talk to your attorney. Keep saying, I want to talk to my attorney first before saying anything! Say fifty thousand times over and nothing else. Use cameras and protect your dog! Put the dog inside the house so it doesn�t� get shot. Not all cops are bad and you need to be respectful in stressful situations. Yelling and screaming will put a cop on edge. Cops are trained killers and practice three to five times a week at the shooting range. Keep cool and set up the barriers! Don�t do drugs�Period! Register your guns and keep the ammunition and guns locked in separate containers while driving with weapons. In your house, lock it up! If some official has personal issues with you, you should carry a micro recorder and make it look like an I-pod (Head set and all). I�ve used it in different ways in protecting myself. Law enforcement is necessary and without it society would be a mess. The law enforcement community is 98% good and honest protecting the needs of its citizens. Every day could be their last when confronting a murder, rapist, or drunk driver. The good out weigh the bad.NOTHING in PLAIN VIEW: If you have a code enforcement issue, keep if from plain view! Don�t be a Ricky Retardo or Donny Dumbass!Never carry a concealed pocketknife. In the car, take out all knifes and place the tire iron in the trunk or away from the drivers reach.

news flash
Lancaster, CA

#15
Sep 1, 2008
I ran across this thread and fell out of my chair. About 4 months ago I was disking my field out at Holliday acres and heard a loud voice "GET ON THE GROUND OR WE WILL SHOOT" being I was on a tractor it was noisy but I heard it plain as day. I looked over to my neighbors house and saw the man, wife and kid spread eagled on the ground with a large number of law enforcement with auto weapons pointing at the neighbors. So I shut off the tractor and watched.They broke down doors, rummaged around, pretty close to shooting the dog, it was in an enclosure, ran a make on the people, then their attitude instantly changed to " whups sorry". But later I had a conversation with my neighbor and he says they cited him for:
~No permits for containers
~Living in a mobile home with no permit???????
~The health dep. told him he could not use the well without a water test.It was an approved well
They said that he has 45 days to correct these and other violations of face a fine. He went to lancaster and nobody would budge, he asked for a hearing and was denied.
I would not beleive it if I had not seen it. He now told me he was informed that he will be taxed for his horses (see link below)
http://assessor.lacounty.gov/extranet/lac/con...

surprise
Lancaster, CA

#16
Sep 1, 2008
"Snarky wrote:
Oh now we can't have shipping containers? I can't believe this.
Do you have to get a permit to put in a carport?
Are they trying to get rid of small ranchos?"


YES-first you need to go to reg. planing,(be exceptionaly nice and patient because the guy at the counter is realy screwed to deal with) then present a certificate of compliance($3500)then pay $770 for a plot plan showing set back, pipes, trees, buildings and wait 4 weeks for approval then go to Building & safety and pay $35 or a permit. Then you have to install it to their rules, concrete and welded to the ground, etc.

YES- Same as above

Seems to be the case

Now being you submitted a plot plan the tax assor will be given a copy of it and you will be taxed for any improvements. Neat HUH

John Boy
Los Angeles, CA

#17
Sep 1, 2008
" surprise wrote:
YES-first you need to go to reg. planing,(be exceptionaly nice and patient because the guy at the counter is realy screwed to deal with) then present a certificate of compliance($3500)then pay $770 for a plot plan showing set back, pipes, trees, buildings and wait 4 weeks for approval then go toBuilding & safety and pay $35 or a permit. Then you have to install it to their rules, concrete and welded to the ground, etc.
YES- Same as above
Seems to be the case
Now being you submitted a plot plan the tax assor will be given a copy of it and you will be taxed for any improvements. Neat HUH"


Are we living in the USSR! Let's see...mmm...I need to check with the government on what I can and can't build...Hold on...Do I need a permit to walk on my property..Yes..how much more money to I need and do I need to get on my knees and kiss the guy's Y-arss at the counter!

John Q Public
Lancaster, CA

#18
Sep 1, 2008
I have had dealings with these Priks. The city hired 11 more code enforcement officers and they need to justify their jobs. I got a nasty letter from a law firm telling me how many days I had to comply with the letter or else. Total BS, they said I could not have an unregistered vehicle on my property, even if it was non opped. The USSR wasn't this bad, they only cared if you were doing something subversive to the government not restoring old cars in your own back yard.

english official language
Lancaster, CA

#19
Sep 2, 2008
These prix haven't started yet.
When they realize that they can generate money from this activity, KATY BAR THE DOOR. With the shortage of funds, due to them squandering them on give away programs, the system needs more food (money).
Have you seen some of the huge retirement packages the county is giving to some of its exec. or workers. This cost money and with the economy in the tank the investment funds don't pay enough to feed the frenzy. So they try to milk you other ways. No wonder every body is going to TEXAS.

Snarky
Los Angeles, CA

#20
Sep 2, 2008
Littlerock is full of shipping containers and old cars lol. Perhaps it is just Lancaster?

Is this a Lancaster initiative or the whole Antelope Valley?

Jason
AOL

#21
Sep 2, 2008
" news flash wrote:
I ran across this thread and fell out of my chair. About 4 months ago I was disking my field out at Holliday acres and heard a loud voice "GET ON THE GROUND OR WE WILL SHOOT" being I was on a tractor it was noisy but I heard it plain as day. I looked over to my neighbors house and saw the man, wife and kid spread eagled on the ground with a large number of law enforcement with auto weapons pointing at the neighbors. So I shut off the tractor and watched.They broke down doors, rummaged around, pretty close to shooting the dog, it was in an enclosure, ran a make on the people, then their attitude instantly changed to " whups sorry". But later I had a conversation with my neighbor and he says they cited him for:
~No permits for containers
~Living in a mobile home with no permit???????
~The health dep. told him he could not use the well without a water test.It was an approved well
They said that he has 45 days to correct these and other violations of face a fine. He went to lancaster and nobody would budge, he asked for a hearing and was denied.
I would not beleive it if I had not seen it. He now told me he was informed that he will be taxed for his horses (see link below)
http://assessor.lacounty.gov/extranet/lac/con..."


Permits for containers just started the last few years and from what I took was that if you had them alreadyt hey were going to be grandfathered in. As far as the permit for the mobile home it has to do with how its leashed to ground for earthquakes. It has to be done a certain way or they wont permit it as habitable.

John Boy
Los Angeles, CA

#22
Sep 2, 2008
"victim wrote:
The los Angeles County NAT team (nusience abatement team) is abusing citizens. They enter property with guns and write citations for petty minusia. They arrive in a caravan of district attorney thugs, building and safety, regional planning, dog catcher and any other agency that they can extract a penney with. They then proceed to destroy every bodies lives.
When a citation is issued they refuse to give you a hearing, "Clean it up or we will fine you".
This Nazi group has netted the County hundreds of thousands of dollars in new revenue at the cost of home and land owners expense.
If anybody has any contact with these storm troopers please post on this subject. This needs to be stopped."


**********Team up with others and start video taping with hidden microphones and set these people up. If you said this is what is happening, you need proof and they will be fired.

surprise
Lancaster, CA

#23
Sep 3, 2008
Snarky:
If you will, tell everybody you know about this site, if they have a problem with these nazi storm troppers have them post it, if they approve of the process have them post it. The only way we can get equity or justice is to shine a light on these gestapo D-imatators so the general public can see what is going on. These people have the plan of picking everybody off one at a time, that way nobody squaks. What happens on the tv when a group of citizens raise hell about an unjustice. The gov backs up and apologizes

Spread the word!!!!!!!!

news flash
Lancaster, CA

#24
Sep 3, 2008
"Jason wrote:
Permits for containers just started the last few years and from what I took was that if you had them alreadyt hey were going to be grandfathered in. As far as the permit for the mobile home it has to do with how its leashed to ground for earthquakes. It has to be done a certain way or they wont permit it as habitable."


I had a long conversation with some of the gestapo that came to my house and was told that they are not "reactive" the are "Responsive"(which means they don't go out looking for trouble they respond to complaints). Which means they have a person or persons going out and filing complaint "en mass". The fellow I was talking to says that a high percentage of complaints are coming from a central source.
I have noticed in the west lancaster area that when certian individules I have seen taking pictures of places and a real estate sign is located nearby, a few weeks later a raid happens.
These people are real estate people. from a certian real estate Company.

The storm troopers are told all sorts of information, wiether true or not, Then they go out to verify it.(probabal cause for the visit) This is possibly a legal function. The complaint comes from the over zellious execution of the inspection and the disrespect showed to the home owners. I myself could go to your house or your neighbors and find many infractions which you will find annoying, But I don't come with a dozen M-16s, 4 or 5 regional planning and building & safety inspectors, animal control, DEA, and a mystery man.

Anything can be violated and you have to prove otherwise. When a person goes to correct the problem the personal in the system show indifferance and callous behaviour, including not appplying the cod uniformily. Call valencia about a greenhouse you will be told no permit is needed. Call lancaster and you will be told you need eng. spec., permit, plot plan, cert. of compliance, and a cert. of occupancy.


Not proud of LA county
United States

#42
Monday October 6 2008
They hit me on 10-1-08 in west Lancaster. My wife and 3 kids where so frightened as the DA agents with machine guns come down our driveway!! No marked cars and no uniforms!! I almost came out with my gun thinking it was a HOME INVASION robbery. They later said to me that they would have shot me if they had saw a gun in my hands. To die for having built my tool shed to LARGE?? This is not the land of the free any longer, it�s turning into the home of the NAZIES!! This is Absolute B.S.!! Bankrupt LA county is out looking for any money resources they can dig up and are finding people are easy targets to steal if from!! A rural family makes for easy plunder and is a good solid revenue resource. WE ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A NEW FOOD SOURCE FOR A NEAR BANKRUPT L.A. COUNTY!!


rosamond rider
Thousand Oaks, CA

#49
Oct 9 2008
i am wondering if this extends (yet) into kern county? when big money comes; people will be pushed out. I have a place out there; where the air is fresh , traffic nonexistant. i liked the idea of having another pad to go to where all my buddies and their kids can ride off-road bikes. The trouble is that my place keeps getting busted into, batteries stolen, generator stolen, stereo stolen; etc. i always show up to see my locks cut and thrown away. It is sad. i use no drugs, i shoot no weapons. I am there to camp out and ride motorcycles to let the younger ones appreciate the desert. Sounds like hell to the west of me. Damn glad that so-far Kern is not like L.A. county.



Texan
United States

#50
Oct 10 2008

Well, reading this makes me glad I don't live here. It is not that these Sworn Employees are trying to clean up the meth lab looking, trailer trash, rat infested squatters sheds you call �my home�. Some of the homes in the hills are not fit to live in; they pose safety, fire, and disease concerns. These are typically the ones with the van in the front yard with Cousin Juan and his small family of 15 living in it, and several other items that used to be called vehicles all over the place, 90 dogs and 60 cats shitting all over the place. Let me tell you, moving to Texas is not the answer, out here, we don�t call the law, we clean up our own back yards, and your sorry whining asses would be shot or hung for the crap I have seen around here. You ought to be thanking these folks for cleaning up your neighborhoods, since you�re too damn lazy to do it without this type of enforcement. I say �Good On Ya� Los Angeles�; wipe the ass of the land they call home, and get that shit out of there. If you land dwellers do not have enough respect for yourself to clean up your own shit, then respect your neighbor enough to not make them have to look at it. Another thing, I can tell your level of ignorance by the statements you all have made in some of these windows. First, the Police do not carry M-16; they may have an M-14, a much smaller .223 round commonly carried by law enforcement, and are you sure the only thing you have is tomatoes in that Green House? Seeing some of these places as I have driven through, I would not approach these huts without several vaccinations let alone a firearm to protect myself from who knows what or who. One of you even threatens them in your response; Let me tell you, in Texas, we would already be at your place providing you with a skunk spray cleansing. I have been reading up on this, and have found that some of these actions have rounded up wanted people. Not sure your philosophy in CA, but in Texas, we call that a good thing. The gentleman stating the truck he was fixing, I have not seen it, so I will not say for sure, but if it is like most out there, it probably had a crop growing out of the back, and a brother in law or cousin setting up camp in our under it, and if you were planning to fix it anyway, quit your bitching, fix it and shut your pie hole. These folks are doing a great job cleaning up the town and taking out the trash. By the way, use spell check, and stop typing in Ebonics, it only makes you look more stupid then you already do. I think you should be thanking these folks for having your best interest at heart, and doing their jobs. If you do not want to be bothered, then clean up your crap and shut the f**k up.

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#51
Oct 10 2008
sim city here we come.



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"Police do not carry M-16; they may have an M-14, a much smaller .223 round commonly carried by law enforcement, and are you sure the only thing you have is tomatoes in that Green House?"

Well "TEXAN" you sure are showing your ignorance. Yesterday an article in the AV Press shows 4 Sherif deputies aiming 4 M-16 at a house. These weapons do shoot 223. I personaly know the fellow who has the greenhoues that was torn down by orders from the county and it was full of Telapa fish for sale in the local restaurants.

Trouble with you is you'are in that s_it hole they call TEX-yarss (quite apperent from your mussings) which I do admit has some no-nonsense ways of fixing things. The problem with your statement is lack of experience with living under the drackonian overloard of LA County.

Yup: you are right some of these crap holes need to go, the problem stems from the fact that they ran out of crap holes and now need to generate money by going overboard with everybody else.

Before you jump into your cowboy cadilac, get old blue, grab your M-14 (banned in this state) and race out to California, try to get a building permit!! OH by the way you will need about $80,000 to pay all the fees before they will let you live in it.
Hers a link to the article: http://www.avhidesert.com/forum/showthre...671#pid671

Heres the picture: http://www.avhidesert.com/A/1/1010_p1.jpg

Here's the story on Topix: http://www.topix.com/city/lancaster-ca/2008/1... shure don't look like a pea shooter

I an copying your comments to another forum so we can have a laugh you can spew fire there too. http://www.avhidesert.com/forum/showthre...671#pid671



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October 11 2008

Let me start by saying son, it takes more then a bunch of whining _+ss Californians to get me fired up. Believe it or not, I know your area very well; I used to build homes out there in the late 80�s. The city and counties do charge heavy fees for permitting, but in comparison to the costs of the homes, they are fare. I have built homes all over the country, and it is the same everywhere. These fees are used to pay overworked and underpaid inspectors, and other enforcement agencies. Now I am not sure what made you talk crap about the great state of Texas, but I never once picked on your state. Funny though how you feel you need do that, perhaps you just ran out of real points on this situation.�problem with your statement is lack of experience with living under the drackonian overloard of LA County� As I stated before, I lived in LA County for many years, and I wish they would have had an enforcement team while I was here, I not only would have supported it, I would have tried to join.�I personaly know the fellow who has the greenhoues that was torn down by orders from the county and it was full of Telapa fish for sale in the local restaurants.� This leads me to my next comment, here inlays the trouble with this type of forum, why did this person you personally know feel the need to lie about what he had in his greenhouse, according to his comments,�They also told me I had a green house that needs a permit for (plastic covering hoops for tomatoes) and gave me a notice to stop.� What is it like to personally know someone who is trying to complain about stuff without honestly relaying the facts? Makes you wonder how many more of you all are full of s_it. My guess would be ALL of you, as you said, trying to get a rise.�Yup your are right I noticed I typed to fast and messed up the spelling, at least I got you fired up!!!� Even in this sentence, USE Spell Check.



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Ok spell check it is.
I don't think I will let you draw me into a discussion on stuff you are not familiar with, being you are not here. I know what is happening because I have watched these people perform their work. I have relatives who work for these people and they complain about their over application of work. If you feel there is a need to apply the law to only certain individuals and all others are special and the law does not apply because they have " authority" that's your opinion. Come join the gestapo and get your rocks off. Sounds like you would like pushing people around because you can.
Now don't get me wrong, there is a need to clean up some of these holes. and I personaly work with the NAT team (nuisance abatement team)and I don't approve of them destroying personal property so the "slim" can't move back in.
If you read some of the posts and looked at the other sites you will find that there is a little bit of over application of justice.(that's my complaint) whats good for one is good for all!!!



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Oct 11 2008
"Jason wrote:
Permits for containers just started the last few years and from what I took was that if you had them alreadyt hey were going to be grandfathered in. As far as the permit for the mobile home it has to do with how its leashed to ground for earthquakes. It has to be done a certain way or they wont permit it as habitable."


It is funny to note that all of the Sheriffs and Police living on ranches all around me have the SAME building code violations AS I DO and the DA cops always let them slide. I will hire a P.I. firm to investigate, photograph and document these strange oversites and show it to a Federal Judge with my civil rights attorny IF and only IF push comes to shove.
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The NAT sqaud LIES !!! I called the 'CASE FOLLOW UP' number which is 2139746453
The NAT sqaud LIES !!! I called the 'CASE FOLLOW UP' number which is 213-974-6453 and our property was NOT even listed in their computer!!!!!!!!!!
You should ALL call this number and ask how the ANONYMOUS investigation is going and give them YOUR OWN property address. We where NOT listed!! The NAT goons out right LIED and just picked our property at random then blaming our neighbor. CALL this number 213-974-6453 as the ANONYMOUS person who turned in the property next door lets just say, to your surprise YOU MAY NOT EVEN BE LISTED!!!!!!!!!!
Which means it is NOT your neighbor but the goons who hand picked YOU!!! Call 213-974-6453 and find out,,,,, very disturbing!!!!!!!!
Which means the NAT goons and the DA thugs are liars of the worst bottom feeding scam suckers of the human race!!!!!!!!!! When the LAW lies what are people to do????
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The abuse of residents continues in northern Los Angeles County
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Joe Biden and Colin Powell Predicting World Crisis
Just a few more months people and L.A. county will not be able to wipe it's own rear-end let alone keep the NAT goons paychecks from bouncing.

Joe Biden and Colin Powell Predicting World Crisis upon Obama's Inauguration http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LItK0EAEqj4

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The LAW of the Universe EACH ACTION CREATES AN EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION-
The LAW of the Universe � EACH ACTION CREATES AN EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION-
I really hate to be happy about the current state of affairs and finances BUT when L.A. County sends police and officers bearing MP5 machine guns on our properties and frightening our kids just so they can HUNT for a few new fees and taxes then I have no Love for a system that does not Love my American family. Goons with MP5 machine guns should not be on ANY family�s property pimping you for building permit fees and issuing fines and threats at gunpoint. If the system crushes maybe the sooner the better. Why should any of us support a system that forces itself into our homes, invades our lives while looking for extra tax money at gunpoint.
LINK - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTfjPjFLNn0
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If Americans let the politicians steal our rights, we deserve what we get.
I agree. It was the sheriffs and two judges who told me to get a gun for protection since we live far away. Then when my husband protects me and the sheriffs send out the whole station and point guns at me and my four kids. Now they can use new excuses to treat this country like a police state. If Americans let the politicians steal our rights, we deserve what we get.
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WHY ARE THESE GUYS COMING ON OUR PROPERTY WITH GUNS
WHY ARE THESE GUYS COMING ON OUR PROPERTY WITH GUNS?
WHAT IS GOING ON IN OUR COUNTRY THESE DAYS???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjrnXiCR9TQ

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A great radio show
A great radio show
http://fsn.s3.amazonaws.com/fsn2009-0117-2a.mp3

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"Unexpected Consequences" - Understand the meaning of this phrase.
"Unexpected Consequences" - Understand the meaning of this phrase.
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RE: (property owners harassed by ) New policy to speed, prosecution
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Video Harold Ray complaining about NAT-Z's
January 27 2009
Harold Ray complained to the Lancaster City council about the actions of the NAT-z's invading his property.

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RE: (property owners harassed by ) New policy to speed, prosecution
CALIFORNIA officially runs out of money today.

The state's $42 billion budget deficit hit bedrock, today!

Today is when California will stop paying some bills and issue IOUs instead.

The reality is the state has been bankrupt for many months when it comes to the leadership required to deal with a mounting budget crisis.

At a time when millions of Californians are losing their jobs - the unemployment rate is now 9.3 percent - our state lawmakers are unwilling to do the most important part of their jobs.

They, however, are doing a terrific job of proving to voters just how far out of touch they are with today's brutal economic realities. They have repeatedly failed to pass an emergency budget that closes the estimated $42 billion shortfall after the next 18 months.

Their partisan arrogance means that IOUs rather than checks will be sent to taxpayers, college students who rely on grants and companies and vendors who do business with the state. The state has had to resort to IOUs only once - in 1992 - since the Depression. The move will further damage California's credit when it can least afford to pay more to borrow.

Lawmakers apparently don't realize that their failure to address the budget deficit is making the economic meltdown in California even worse. Or they don't care.

IOUs will make it more difficult for many

struggling businesses to stay open and to keep workers employed. This is not a time to be adding more people to the state's growing number of jobless. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has little choice but to impose emergency furloughs for state workers, which will just make matters even worse.

Lawmakers saw this budget crisis coming. They've watched it grow like a snowball rolling downhill. Aside from some political hand wringing, they have failed to set aside their partisan differences to better brace the state for this financial storm.

We all need to demand that our lawmakers abandon party loyalties and do what is best for California before it's too late. That means quickly crafting a compromise that includes a painful but necessary combination of budget cuts and tax and fee increases.

Marin Assemblyman Jared Huffman said Thursday he's cautiously optimistic that Schwarzenegger and the Legislature's leaders are close to an agreement. His hope hinges on a handful of Republican legislators who have broken ranks with the GOP's refusal to raise taxes.

Those who refuse to compromise are putting their political self-interest far ahead of what's best for California. The state's requirement that a two-thirds vote is needed in both houses to approve the budget means a Republican minority has enough votes to hold the budget - and California - hostage.

Serious budget reform is needed, including lowering the supermajority requirement, perhaps to 55 percent, so reasonable budgets can be passed on time.

But the first order of business is to pass a deal that addresses the growing budget crisis.

California can't afford to wait any longer. The political paralysis must end before it destroys our state.
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RE: (property owners harassed by ) New policy to speed, prosecution
Why is near bankrupt L.A. County harassing us all of a sudden?
The source of the L.A. counties mean-spirited revenue enhancing
techniques may surprise you. A government on the verge of
economic collapse WILL start hassling ALL of us for money sooner
or later, your turn to will come!
That is the way it has been for thousands of years, historically speaking.

So, What Is Going on in the bigger picture to make these events happen locally??

LEARN THE SOURCE of our economic collapse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV9yDLhKbjg

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